Post was not sent - check your email addresses! But my wife and I are pretty conservative. But that’s what history has demonstrated. But I think it’s time to sell; time to fold them.” And I sat down and went over with him how far the company had fallen behind the competition. Uploaded by HART (1-800-HART) on May 6, 2018 at 2:14 pm . Or Reach Michael Directly: RECEIVING OUR LATEST RESEARCH AS IT IS RELEASED! And unfortunately, it actually wasn’t a very good year in the markets. And my job was to build out and develop our financial planning process. And once the good return show up, the bull market that eventually shows up is so good, it pretty easily carries you to the end. It was all good. The whole point was, “Let’s look at actual sequences historically and find what would have worked in – basically, what would work in the worst one.” Because if it survives the worst one, then it survives all of them and that’s where 4.15% came from. Just make sure you have enough years to do it before you hit RMDs. Now, family is very important. No one had any definitive analysis that I could find. About half of it is actually for the advisory industry. Where are you going to be living? Our November CE Quizzes are now available in the Members Section. I got my clients completely out of the market in late 2008. He’s got a Master of Science in Financial Services. I think I would say to get your education and try to get an internship and follow a path into a larger firm where you have support systems about you. Bill: Well, when I started my practice, I didn’t actually have too many clients in retirement, okay, they tended to be closer to my age and only in the later years of my practice. Exchange some bonds for stocks when the market appears to be at a bottom and replenish the cash reserve as the market recovers. And I have clients who were down at 3% because they had a pension plan that had no inflation adjustment. We’re not into toys. I especially appreciate the qualitative part of the discussion regarding the consideration for part-time work. I agree with Jason. Maybe your spending is not going to lift up as much in the later years because you just may not want to spend on things once you’re comfortable with your life? There’s about 450 advisors on there. So, how did you start looking into that? That’s what excited me. Micheal Kitces is a great ex plainer sometimes the smartest people can turn complexity into understandable bites. If they fall under their curve, then they know they’re in trouble. So much of financial planning is psychological and this does a great job of dealing with both the psychological and technical aspects. We did it in the first decade of the 1900s, we did it in the 1930s, we did it in the 1970s. Indeed those terrible recession years will roll off the average by 2020. It was well-rounded and took into consideration the human behavior aspect of investing and retirement, which is critical to “make it all work”. Whereas somebody in their 30’s, they could get a job at the bar down the street if things got really bad, if you know what I mean. Thanks for paying it forward. I’m only 30, and I’m hopefully going to live another 60 years. Like what surprised you about building an advisory business? It’s been a long time since they’ve had to worry about the other problem. That’s a great point about the 10-year average roll-off. I don’t care. Great podcast as always. Michael: Like, “Well, I’m just going to work. Have you had a chance to view BigERN work on sequence of returns risks? Bill: I always told my clients, they should be thinking of retirement as moving towards something, not away from something. Was this like you would have a conversation with clients about the 4% rule on what’s sustainable and you can say something like, “Your spending seems to be in line with that so you’re good.”? It’s fun spending money. I mean, we created it in part to help people through challenges like this. One of the best things I’ve ever listened to. If they came for Bill Bengen and his 4% rule, if there is no more Bill Bengen running the firm, does that mean the clients are going to stick around or not? But the first half of retirement was so horrific in these scenarios that you needed to spend a more conservative number so you had enough money left for when the good returns finally showed up because finally stocks are super cheap. Michael: And out of curiosity, what is the risk management service you use to supplement your work that you find is credible and worthy? Thanks for doing both podcasts and a blog. Nope. You know, people don’t say market timing, but it worked in my case. Great addition to your podcast! But if I had to do it over again, maybe I’d hold up to 60 clients. Bill: No, no, actually, we moved to California shortly after we sold the business in New York. Up until basically the 1980s, your retirement was basically just “buy bonds, invest, and spend the interest” or “buy stocks and spend the dividends.” Unless you wanted to literally pull out an abacus, it was kind of hard to do all the number crunching to figure out what sort of retirement would work. There’s not much we want to spend it on. Your email address will not be published. Please try again. Well, I agree kinda sorta except he kind of mixed things a bit. We’re already over an hour, which I’m so sad about because I think I got through like maybe 40% of all the stuff I wanted to gel with you about today. So, before I get him on the program, I wanted to run a quick experiment. And quite frankly, my experience with those firms was not a very good one. Back then, no one was talking about it. Of course, I have no idea what the market will do next month or next year. I looked into that more deeply and found a way to enhance that. When did you ultimately decide you were ready to be done done? But that’s one of the risks. So when you start looking at things like real rates of return after inflation, they’re not nearly… We may be in a somewhat lower return environment, but they’re not nearly as low a return as sometimes we make it out to be because we look at the nominal and forget the real. And the research has kind of lingered out there in the advisory community. Michael Kitces: Yeah. I’m just going to quote some of the things that you said in some of your other posts like “the safe withdrawal rate actually has a 96% probability of leaving more than all of your original starting principle.”, Mad Fientist: So, it even survives all these terrible times. And if you’re rebalancing, you’re cheating the portfolio of returns. Even balanced portfolios, on average, go up way more than 4%. You just have so much more energy and so much more passion for things. The point of the Roth conversion ladder is to NOT convert from traditional->roth until you’re in retirement, so that you’re paying taxes on that money only when you’re in the lower tax brackets. So, generally, most clients have a very favorable environment. But clients liked the idea. I haven’t seen the background work behind those claims, those concerns. You can decide to consider to work or even make it part of your plan. And it kind of led me to bringing the two together to say, “Well, what happens if you actually start looking at all of this retirement withdrawal research through the lens of market valuation.”. One, why did you land in this? And generally, it would exceed them because of bull markets, you know. And it was almost like you were going to get a religious fervor. Bill: Well, I’m gonna finish this novel next week. You’ve actually done research on that. But that’s not what you need to listen to in investing, you need to focus on other things to be successful. There are weekends that are workdays. Join over 100,000 others on the Mad Fientist email list and start tracking your progress in the FI Laboratory! The contributions are being made to AfterTax 401k, then immediately rolled over to Roth 401k. But for most, I find that do it happily and successfully. I think, as you said, the RIA fee-only world in the first place – because particularly in the early 1990s when you were starting your firm, that was not common. There should be other numbers for other people with other situations, but this is what we have been publicized now.”. I mean, when you’re otherwise just kind of accustomed to a more moderate lifestyle, and you’ve gotten some of those big things right, again, it’s amazing how not much a lot of that little stuff adds up. You know, I think you just keep doing things until you run out of energy or ideas. But a lot of them are like, “Hey, you want to manage your own portfolio assets, but you just want some ongoing advice about things to navigate,” great! I would prefer to have a much better process, which I have now. Not all of them work with people that are doing early retirement/financial independence. And that was basically what Shiller found. But you know every client’s situation is different. And they’re all in kind of my age group and they’re just starting to think seriously about retirement, and they were concerned in the early ’90s. It works as well. “Now, let me show you everything we’ve learned in history about how markets work and invest your portfolio and give you recommendations accordingly.” We have to because otherwise, you’re just operating completely blind. So the only path forward I can see is getting to a number where I can say goodbye to my boss and never have to work again” because working is, for some folks, unfortunately so unpleasant. I’m wondering where 25% comes from. Great guest. That’s what I did.” So I was able to cut it in half. In addition, he is a co-founder of the XY Planning Network, AdvicePay, fpPathfinder, and New Planner Recruiting, the former Practitioner Editor of the Journal of Financial Planning, the host of the Financial Advisor Success podcast, and the publisher of the popular financial planning industry blog Nerd’s Eye View through his website Kitces.com, dedicated to advancing knowledge in financial planning. People were calling for the end of the world. So, to find this correlation of 0.74 between valuation levels and 30-year safe withdrawal rates that no one had ever written about before, I got pretty excited at the time. Great podcast episode, by the way. Basically, for people in their 50’s and 60’s who retire, health insurance is a race to age 65 Medicare. But in the personal realm, if your situation is changing anyway, you may as well take the leap, because the upside is actually rather large when we change our life trajectory for the better. So they were happy to have somebody in the neighborhood who wasn’t selling them an insurance policy, who was going to give them financial advice. Imagine trying to retire with a 25% withdrawal rate, taking a quarter of your portfolio and lasting 30 years. But I’m doing something that I don’t think is practical for a person who manages money professionally. Because if you buy something at the right price, you’re good for many years. I’ve pretty much stuck to the spreadsheet approach. Always love listening to your episodes! And I said, “Well, I wrote until I ran out of story. Join over 100,000 others on the Mad Fientist email list and get a PDF packed with all the best advice I've received on the Financial Independence Podcast! Michael: So you say it feels a little bit different when you’re a private business with a little bit more of an inside perspective on what’s going on and the dynamics of the business? So, in 1981, the dow was still at a thousand, trying to break through to a new high. Maybe higher than 50% to 60% I would recommend because there are very few sources of reliable income. In the flow of things, it’s nice to be riding with the tide, whatever you’re doing in life. So, we’ll just usually spend some time just figuring out what’s the plan for health insurance and how are we making sure that’s covered. Michael: How did you find NAPFA? We went through the December recovery, and then January and February came along and the market got crushed again. And what we find is 4% just seems to be a number that’s low enough that, even if you start when valuations are high, and risk is elevated, or returns are likely low, and then you add a whole bunch of bad stuff on top, the withdrawal rate is moderate enough that you can still make it to the good returns. Michael: Yeah, I know there are some one-off tools that have started trying to do that. Continuing education that actually teaches you something. It’s that predictive. It was a good idea at the time. And that’s the thing. It gave me enough savings to buy my house, pay for my marriage, and start my business just because I kept my housing dirt cheap. Michael Kitces and FPA enter uneasy truce after Kitces apologizes and FPA publishes its audited financials. It was too low. I fourth this! So, thanks for letting me run this experiment. I don’t need more clients than this.”. Michael: Interesting. And I look forward to seeing you in Dallas in October. So, we try to kind of break that down a little bit into “Well, no, you don’t have to work anymore. And so, because earnings get really, really volatile, it gets challenging to use earnings from year to year as a measurement of valuation. :) Looking forward to talking with you! But for most, the big three I find is just how are we going to generate cash flow from your retirement assets, what do you actually going to be doing with your time (you’re actually going to be earning some money because that will change some of the other decisions), and do we have a clear plan for health insurance. Calculate a Safe Withdrawal Rate that ensures your portfolio survives your entire retirement, even if you plan on retiring extremely early! But, yes, it’s never easy, but it happened. I eventually sold my practice to them. The 401k plan UI has even a “convert to Roth in-plan” button that is a single click action to do the conversion. They should errect a statue of Michael Kitces in every Town square across America. And that may be a good investment. Amazing. But the overall gist to me that I think is just as notable from where we stand today – like the 4% rule came not from average returns, it came from the worst thing we could find in history, which is pretty much still the worst thing we can find in history because history hasn’t really changed. Are you going to sell your house and go nomad? But $20,000 or $30,000 a year is more than enough to supplement that early retirement goal”—you could do anything on the planet you wanted that would pay you $20,000 or $30,000. Bill: Spending would increase with inflation right through to the end of life. Bill: Yes, some of the earlier financial planning software was based on spreadsheets, as you know. And if your stock isn’t going up while your economy is growing, eventually, there’s just more and more earnings powering through, and you’re getting bigger dividends. It was in an inflationary environment. Kudos to you,” but most people that go through successful early retirement, there’s a level of frugal living that tends to go with it. And i take 2-4 cheapish vacations a year. Back then, there were six individual segments with individual tests. How would you get to the individual client’s adjustments? And I felt the winds of change are approaching too. Yeah, there are some bad years in there, but there’s also some good years. I mean, heck, even six or seven probably sounded conservative because the S&P was doing double-digit returns for more than a decade at that point with just a small fast recovery blip in 1987. Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter, “Top 10 Influential Blog for Financial Advisors”, “#1 Favorite Financial Blog for Advisors”. All Other Questions, So, for people who maybe are in their car right now and aren’t able to google Schiller CAPE 10, can you just give a little description about it, and talk about why it is so predictive in this case? I do have a question in regards to ROTH Ladder conversions. I’ve never made a lot of money out of the 4% rule. Michael Kitces: And particularly for the things that tend to be recurring. I don’t need that anymore. And so, particularly for those who are listening that are in their 20’s or maybe early 30’s where I find this tends to happen the most, just be careful about what new things you introduce in your life that quickly become a part of your lifestyle that are hard to go backwards on. Michael Kitces: Yeah! There’s a lot of common sense spoken here that is, as they say, “not so common”. So at that point, it didn’t appear to make too much difference what you choose. Michael Kitces: Yeah! The largest discretionary expense for households is often housing…be careful not to overextend there, especially given the large entry & exit costs of owning a home. Mad Fientist: That’s amazing! So that automatically just confirmed to them that things were on track. I guess, like in all scientific research, you try keep your mind a blank and just follow where the data takes you. Did you end up in this realm of working more and more with retirees because you were the guy that put this retirement research out there? And he’s making money—and it’s not trivial money. Michael Kitces: Yeah, it was pretty striking when I really finished that first study, that first take on it, and just started this modeling of P/E ratios and subsequent safe withdrawal rates. In 2015, Michael Kitces proposed a ratcheting rule for retirement spending that shared the basic framework of constant inflation-adjusted spending while still allowing spending to increase if the portfolio performs well in retirement. I am a partner and the Director of Wealth Management for the Pinnacle Advisory Group, an independent management wealth firm in the Baltimore, Washington area, overseeing about $1.8 billion dollars for more than the thousand clients that we work with. Michael: Right. It could be, maybe, a quarter of percentage point on the withdrawal rate. Love the “little things don’t matter” at the end, but don’t let MMM hear! I just go buy the coffee. So my grandson, my wife, and my kids are still very important to me. You just pull out a spreadsheet. Thanks for the interview. Really appreciate how in depth you went with you guest. Right? I don’t know. And that could happen to us again, I just think that the profession ought to pay attention to that and give it some study before they reject more active management a lot of thing. I read the report and was thinking about the possibility that the withdrawal rate calculated off the CAPE10 would be lower than needed, which I guess is a near certainty since we’re looking for the totally safe level. Bill: Once again, I didn’t fully invest my clients, which I should have. So it’s even better than 0.74, it looks like. It was a wonderful experience because I learned about the business. That was just a new thing at the time. How did you start going out there as a financial advisor and getting clients starting from scratch with no history in the business? Skip Schweiss played mediator after latest Kitces-FPA spat got nasty; Kitces used the word 'fraud' (albeit not alleged) in regard to what turned out to be a simple accounting change that outsiders couldn't see. Can you start a business and buy insurance through it (which we could do in some states)? But whether you’re really not going to work anymore, let’s talk about that because I’m slightly questioning it just having seen a lot of people go through this.”. And was that because you felt like the business was less complex back then to have to deal with or there just weren’t a lot of choices? And then, we give them all the other financial planning advice and guidance that they need along the way—but different solutions for different folks. And they would have been waiting a long time to get back to where they were. And it’s actually the same worst-case historical scenarios that are guiding it in all of these situations. I found those people were not the type of people who I wanted to be – as a client, come to later years – at financial planning advice because I knew they were selling. What I found out is that your spending on health needs will increase over what you had earlier. Thanks for putting that together. I felt I needed to get much more conservative, but I didn’t want to impose that on them. A lot of people said, “Oh, my goodness, you’re in retirement now. And like Michael said, even when the deflation happens, that’s bad for the stock market but STILL good for early retirees, because things get cheaper. – Man, you nailed it. Well, let’s plug in P/E 10 ratios at the beginning of retirement, and then the safe withdrawal rate for retirement, and see how well these things line up. Take care. Michael: Interesting. I looked at the Alaska Airlines info you have (because that’s the card I’m most familiar with), and it doesn’t match what they have on their site. It wasn’t until the ‘80s, late ‘80s, showed up when we started getting personal computers that we could actually begin modeling this stuff (no coincidence that Bengen’s study came out a couple of years later). Bill: Well, I think I made a big advance with that research paper based on your work. Bill: Well, yes, this is it, boys. And I couldn’t recall anything in any of those textbooks that address these issues. That’s not true. There are certain issues I wanted to explore, like what was the safe withdrawal rate? Also, the ACA exists today in the US, but the government is trying to make significant changes that could affect early retirees. And I’m just wondering how long they can sustain markets at excessively high valuations and keep blowing bubble after bubble. As long as I was doing that, it was fine. a So ideally, we want to ratchet this a little bit more slowly. Bill: I didn’t use it a lot. At least, it was back when I was in it. Now, the problem with this in the short-term is that companies are volatile. I go out to each lunch EVERY day. And that didn’t appeal to me. So we are targeting a 2.5% withdrawal which equals out to the yield of our index fund portfolio. Success! And I went to a number of interviews with firms. April 4, 2019 — 2:57 AM Great interview! Love the breakdown on P/E in a simple to understand way! But how did you balance that, “Hey, I’ve done all these analyses based on historical scenarios, which we say are not predictive of the future, but I still have to give you recommendations that I’m going to give you based on the historical analysis.”? If you do 10,000 draws from a Monte Carlo engine, you should get a few things that you’ve never seen in history. There’s no easy software solution for that I’m aware of. Michael Kitces: Just cut back 50%. And the good news is you don’t even necessarily have to find a ton of work and supplement it a lot because when I’m only trying to spend a few percent of my financial capital in the first place, even a moderate amount of work that just brings in a little bit of money dramatically reduces what your ongoing spending need is if you are living fairly frugally in the first place. As I head toward retirement I know I should downsize my house….but why should I settle for something smaller! There’s also always slightly less passive investment options like real estate or Notes that can also improve the math. Speaking of simple here’s my FI withdrawal strategy: 1. Bill: You have to be very upfront with clients and explain to them that this is not a science we’re doing. So we have to use something. Right, this was 400 employees. So, he published a follow-up study. Essentially, I would like to do something like you mention in your website here: http://www.madfientist.com/how-to-access-retirement-funds-early/, but using the ROTH 401k route, instead of the ROTH IRA. And likewise, when we look at other time periods, like retiring in the mid-1960s, the interesting historical footnote, 1966 was the first year that the dow hit a thousand. Great interview and very informative. Eventually, of course, the money came back, or a lot of it. University of Southern Maine, Kansas State University - School of Family Studies and Human Services, Oklahoma State University, The Kitces Report & Nerd's Eye View and West Texas A&M University Downloads 84 (305,708) Because the market could continue to go up. There were two problems I encountered. It attracted a lot of independent-thinking people who had very strong ideas about how they wanted to do things in their practice, which included me. The comprehensive exam for CFP certification came about in the early ’90s. And I had some money as a result of the… I knew I was going to have to have financial planning needs, and I thought to myself, “Why don’t I just simply educate myself on this so I can handle this myself and perhaps that will be a business opportunity for me as well that I could handle, you know, out of a home office?” And that’s why it worked. What are you thinking?”. Some have good years, some have bad years. The effect that really ends up happening, particularly if you’re looking at things like 40- or 50- or 60-year retirement time horizons, is if the first 10 years go well (or even just not horribly, you just get decent returns and things move up a little), and you’re only withdrawing something like 3.5% or 4%, your portfolio is going to climb 30%, 50% or 100% in the first 10 years. 8. I don’t think that applies to investing. And how do you think about the balance between… what strikes me is there’s really two levers to this. We did it during the Great Depression in the ‘30s. You have to be in bonds, 100%. If I can buckle those three down, there’s still a lot of other details that come after that, but most of the rest is not nearly as hard to sort out as making sure we’re good on those big three. So as you look back on this now with kind of getting out before the sharp V down, but then having trouble getting back in as the market came back up. There were not a lot of fee-only RIAs out there. I didn’t want to commute. Now returns have been weaker, and we say 4% sounds too high. I’m just going to go more passive, more buy and hold, I don’t want the stress or the burden of doing that.” And then others seem to go in the direction that you went, that said, “Well, I’m going to improve my process and we’ll make a better call next time. Mad Fientist: Cool! Michael: So as you got sort of building with a local network and a local neighborhood – like this wasn’t the neighborhood you’d been in for years and years that you developed relationships. Michael: Interesting. Again, we’re simply a support network for them. Bill: Yes. I know it’s going to be a much bigger book now, a lot more charts in it. Mad Fientist: Yes, you’re very prolific on Twitter, which is…. And then, you end up with more retirement income sustainability, and your 4% rule becomes a 4.5% rule. Okay? You’ve got 59.8 years left.”. And I think I can still contribute to people’s understanding of things. If you know you want to earn BA miles, for instance, you can just select BA, and it’ll automatically display all the best sign-up bonuses that will earn you BA miles, which is really useful in today’s complicated travel environment because there are all these different kinds of flexible points that transfer to various airlines and hotels. Michael: So how did you look at or think about things like Monte Carlo software as it came forth? You may remember that my Safe Withdrawal Rate post drew heavily from the incredible research Kitces has done on the topic so it was great to talk to him directly to dive even deeper into important topics related to early retirement. And so, this 4% initial withdrawal rate worked. You know, and I think it enhanced my clients’ confidence in my skills. Michael: So you dug into this. The real power of the app though is in the filter. And when we actually look even in the international data, you see something pretty similar. Michael: Because we built such an expectation that markets come back and always come back quickly that if at any point we’re wrong and it really actually stays down for quite a while, suddenly, we’re gonna have a whole lot of problems. So, it worked out great. Mad Fientist: And it’ll be a much easier transition from work life to early retirement as well. He didn’t feel like he got it as a programmer. the 4 percent rule is a good one but wondered how it is applied as in, is it applied to the net earnings per year so that is after tax is taken out or gross earnings, or is it just applied to 4 percent of the total amount invested. Michael: So to you, it sounds like the 4% rule wasn’t necessarily an alternative to, or in lieu of, planning software. Bill: Yes, it relies heavily on valuation, but I also subscribe to a service, the market… They don’t call it market timing; they call it risk management, which helps me because I tend to be naturally conservative. There were no in-betweens. When I hit my FI number, and then I ended up working for an extra two years after the fact, one of those years, I was like, “Look, I’m getting this whole salary. You’re working to a whole new scheme of life. So you got up to about 80 clients and kept it there. As I mentioned in my First Year of Freedom post that I released earlier in the month, the credit card search tool I created has been bringing in some unexpected income. And I just kept dialing the withdrawal rate down until I got to something that worked for all 30 years and all the different 30-year scenarios.” So I think there’s still sometimes this impression or view out there of, well, “The 4% rule worked in all the old data because we used to get better return environments, but now we’re in this low interest rate, lower return environment, some of this stuff’s going to work anymore because we’re not getting average historical rates of return from today,” or at least some people don’t think we’re going to get average historical rates of return going forward from today. In fact, it’s funny. When you were doing that research, you could get 6%, 7% to 8%.” It’s like, “Yes, but when you were doing the research, we were coming off double-digit inflation environments not that many years before.”. Bill: I have a strict test based on valuation. And I definitely agree. But many of them do. 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